Talk:Sport climbing
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| Red Point Ethics regarding Pre clips beyond 1st or 2nd bolts | 12 | 23:53, 26 December 2010 |
| New sports crags in Scotland for Bolting? | 7 | 13:24, 23 May 2010 |
(even if climbed up and clipped and down climbed)
when does it become a yoyo! and not a red point. should it be named a 'top-point' or a 'yo-point'
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Interesting point - if it was a trad route you could climb right up to the finish and if you manage to downclimb completely to the floor then it's still one continuous attempt.
On a sport route, I'd be happy calling it a redpoint if I managed to climb up, clip 3 bolts, downclimb, rest then climb to the top - certainly better than using a clip-stick from the ground. I'm also quite happy to pre-clip the frst bolt or 2 if it's a dodgy start - each to their own.
In the end of the day, if you're not claiming first ascents or trying to keep the climbing rags and sponsors happy, then just climb it however you're happy.
No point breaking an ankle on a sport route....
Thanks Fultonius I agree but don't think sponsors or rags play any part in this - its more just about the personal achievement and climbing routes in a way that is benchmarked as the norm (for me that is). Not to complete it in that way seems futile but that's just how I saw things. Its a game and the game has some rules that are respected and that's what makes climbing special for me.
Climbers who are sponsored probably think more of their personal climbing performance and ethics than that of their sponsor (though there are always exceptions). Its a shit fest that people point to sponsors as a devil in this but the reality is that most professional climbers are likely driven the hardest by their own high standards. That's what makes them great climbers... I think?
I dont like that ethic about downclimbing from anywhere so long as you dont wieght the rope. My argument is thus:
For sport routes, you need to lead to get the tick. That means clipping the rope as you climb. If you down climb to the ground you are no longer climbing so no longer "clipping the rope as you climb". Hence no longer leading, hence no tick. Preclip for safety only.
Agree though, each to their own, but I think allys point about the mags and sponsers is if you shout out about doing a route with dodgy ethics then you can expect to get slagged.
The bottom line is, as long as you do it in a fashion you're happy with then you've doen it the right way for you.
If pre-clipping or downclimbing feels like cheating, for you, then to be happy with your ascent you're gonna have to start at the bottom and clip every clip. (Although, almost no-one has any problem with pre-clipping the first bolt)
My personal rules are:
Trad - can up and downclimb as much as I want and it still counts as an onsight; however, every time I touch the ground it takes something awayf from the ascent. I prefer to climb upwards in one push.
Sport - I'll happily pre-clip the first or second bolt if the start is tricky and the route is long. If it's a 4 bolt route, pre-clipping the second bolt is taking the piss a little.
Surly its fine to have all the clips in place for a redpoint. You can even have them in for a pink point (thats the hole idea)
Just be honest on what you did.
I want to bolt a beast of a sports crag/area in Scotland that will yield 30 great routes from 6a to 9a ... where should we go?
Looking for quality rock that is conducive to good steep sports routes...
err, have you tried Spain?
It might be easier to ask where we know there aren't good sport climbing crags and go to the places people haven't checked?
Have you been to the Anvil?
No yet. but definitely going . looks great..
Hey Mark, you cant just come back after a lay off like that and go right to the head of the queue! Get in an orderly line laddie I have been waiting for one of these for ages, since my last one got reduced in size due to "rare lichens" (The Camel in case you are wondering....) though there are a couple of potentials up here in the NE....!
